March 30

Marc Mawhinney on Why Everyone Needs a Coach


Marc Mawhinney is a lifelong entrepreneur who helps coaches get more clients (without paid advertising)! He achieves this with his coaching programs, his podcast Natural Born Coaches, his Facebook group The Coaching Jungle, and his exclusive print newsletter – Secret Coach Club.

He's been a speaker at events like Social Media Marketing World, frequently makes media appearances and contributes for Entrepreneur.com. You can learn more about Marc at www.NaturalBornCoaches.com

[Podcast Transcript Using Artificial Intelligence]

Umar Hameed 0:06
Are you ready to become awesomer? Hello everyone. My name is Umar Hameed and welcome to the No Limits Selling Podcast, where we explore mindset, how leaders grow their people, their teams, their organizations, and the revenue. Looking for more. Join us on the mindset boosters group, you'll find the link in the show notes. And now, let's get on with the show.

Umar Hameed 0:43
Hello, everyone today I have the pleasure of having Marc Mawhinney, did I get it right?

Marc Mawhinney 0:49
You got it! Good job.

Umar Hameed 0:51

Umar Hameed 0:51
And, So you run an organization called Natural Born Coaches. When I first read it, I thought it was that movie Natural Born Killers, but no coaches. Welcome to the program.

Marc Mawhinney 1:01
Yeah, thank you. I have lots of funny story. It's funny, you mentioned Oliver Stone's movie there because when I was deciding on the name for my business and my podcasts and stuff, I wanted my keyword coach, coaching, coaches in there, because that's who I service. So, what I decided to do was to make a long story short, I ended up grabbing the top first all music, like songs for the last like 20 years before

Umar Hameed 1:25

Marc Mawhinney 1:25
this is 2014. And I was inserting those keywords into song titles and band names. So I didn't serve for example, I think I didn't go with us now. It was a new coaches on the block was one of them that I yeah, I've let go the domain. So feel free to rush over and grab it. And maybe it's still available, but nothing worked for me

Umar Hameed 1:44
Hold on.

Marc Mawhinney 1:47
to go to GoDaddy, so another word for music and bands and stuff. So I went to movies started in 2014 and went down to all the top, you know, 100 movies of every year nothing was working, I get back down to what was the 1994 whenever that movie was released, Natural Born Coaches. I'm like, Oh, wait. So then I ended up doing what's the most nerve wracking 20 seconds of any entrepreneurs life is when he goes to GoDaddy or whichever hosts conferences and says, Oh, God, please be open and available. Luckily, it was I grabbed it. And that's the story how he came up with the name for the business.

Umar Hameed 2:20
Brilliant. So everybody that I know is a coach at some form. They have a coach with the kids, maybe not effective coaches, but their coaches. And some people opt to do this for a living. And it seems like such a noble calling, I'm gonna help people do better in their lives. And then they sit there for the internet during the phone during and they starve and you help them not do that. So tell me about a particular person that came to you that was struggling and how you help them get to the other side where they're actually running a business and more importantly, helping a lot more people.

Marc Mawhinney 2:56
I could take that tagline I help coaches not starve. I like it. It just gets down to the you know, not GoDaddy, yeah, I often say you can't coach on an empty stomach. So I think you make a really good point. If you've got bill collectors calling and stuff like that you're not going to be in the best frame of mind to help a client. So I mean, the coaches I've helped have gone anywhere. They've been aspiring coaches just getting started. Sometimes during the first couple years, they've had some clients but not the traction that they want. Or sometimes it's someone that's been in it five years, eight years that wants a fresh start. They're big, tired of their niche and want to rejigged things or whatever. There's one coach I know in particular, and I think this highlights an important point. When we started working together one on one, she had a nine to five job. Now a lot of people would say you got to burn the ships, right? If you and you got to go in march,

Umar Hameed 3:47
Oh, yeah. Burn th e boats,

Marc Mawhinney 3:48
tell your boss to go shopping, you got to do the Jerry Maguire thing and Tom Cruise, rolled up his sleeves and said, you know, took the goldfish and who's with me, and Renee Zellweger was the only one in the office that laughed with him. I'm not really a fan of that approach. Because if you go in and tell your boss to Shabbat, all sudden, you need to get a client tomorrow to eat or pay the bills, you're gonna be taken on some people you don't want to work with or you just it's not good. So what,

Umar Hameed 4:10
Absolutely! And to add to that? You never know that past employer could be a great source of clients.

Marc Mawhinney 4:17
Yep, that's right, exactly. So this client in particular, I, she kept her job for six months. And actually, it's fine. You made that point because they ended up becoming a client of hers. Eventually, she went and did some workshops and some trainings and stuff like that too. But by giving and by doing that, she gave herself a runway for us to work together. She wasn't stressed out. She did very well. And then she's able to give notice in six months move on and I kind of did the same thing with my coaching business. So in a nutshell, I was in real estate for about a decade throughout my 20's build up a rising real estate business. Everything was going great at 100 agents and employees. Nothing could go wrong and then bang 2009, everything collapsed.

Umar Hameed 4:58

Marc Mawhinney 4:59
Yeah, I went through a rough period of a couple years where I was, you know, trying to get back on my feet and like what the heck happened every before everything I touched turned to gold now everything I touch turns to shit. So what I decided to do was actually get help from coaches and mentors. And so that's how I was really introduced to coaching. But when I started my coaching business in early 2014, I kept my other sales gig with a telecommunications company here in Canada, great position, I worked from home, there was two of us in the whole province, our manager was hours away, didn't bog us super independent and flexible. wasn't my passion, though. I knew it wasn't going to be my lifetime thing. But if I kept that position, providing

Umar Hameed 5:40
you the ability to get the other business up and running again,

Marc Mawhinney 5:43
yeah, I kept it for about 11 months. So is my goal is to be out within a year. And I think it was 11 months that I gave notice. And it allowed me to pay the bills and stuff, but then also gave me some flexibility work on my coaching and I still have plenty of time. So yeah, you don't need 80 hours a week to build a coaching business. If you're productive and disciplined. A lot of people say, Oh, yeah, I work 100 hours a week. Well, if you were watching them with a notepad following them around their whole day, are they working, you know that many hours probably,

Umar Hameed 6:10
It running to the kitchen, getting water. So

Marc Mawhinney 6:13
playing Angry Birds or Candy Crush or skirting around on YouTube and stuff. They're not actually working. So I say you can build a successful coaching business part time with full time commitment.

Umar Hameed 6:24
Brilliant. So Marc, you said you had some coaches as you were going down this path. Tell me about a particular time where a coach gave you this really good piece of advice. And for whatever crazy reason, you did not want to believe it and you fought the coach on. No, like, this doesn't make sense. Did you have one of those moments where you finally had to struggle through that inertia? Because oftentimes coaches tell you things that were important, but inside it's like, but you don't understand. Did you have one of those moments?

Marc Mawhinney 6:53
I had a pre moment I'll say so when my coaching business was flying high, everything was going great. This was probably roughly 2006 ish. I didn't even know coaches were a coach came into my local real estate office. And he wanted me to work with him. He wanted me to hire him. And me and I didn't say this. But in my mind, I'm thinking like, look at what I built. Do I look like I need a coach, you know, I got this coverage. My business closed several years later. And I thought, wow, I really wish I would have listened to him a little more, maybe things wouldn't have closed or would have wouldn't have been as messy with the closure. So I always remember that story. And that's why I think my coaching business has done well, because I learned my lesson was a very million dollar mistake or, you know, lesson I learned but I think it was valuable to learn it.

Umar Hameed 7:38
What's interesting is sometimes the coach doesn't even have to have expertise in your space, just by inquiring through questions. People get their own epiphany and go, oh, holy crap. I never thought of that.

Marc Mawhinney 7:50
Yeah, exactly. So the question gets asked, excuse me all the time in my facebook group is do you have to have done what you're now coaching, right? And I always use the analogy with some of the best baseball managers never weren't very good players. You know, you look at Joe Tory, he was okay. But he did very well with the Yankees managing years later. So same thing. Tiger Woods has different coaches stuff, they maybe couldn't drive the ball past 100 yards, but they at least know what they're doing. And I think that makes a really good point. You don't need to have that. Yeah.

Umar Hameed 8:20
And the flip side of the coin is you could get somebody like Tiger Woods, who may actually be a brilliant coach, but there's a really good chance he might not be.

Marc Mawhinney 8:28
Exactly. Yeah, well look at Wayne Gretzky. I mean, not to knock him that I'll get booted out of Canada for a criticizing Wayne Gretzky. Gretzky was the best player hockey player of all time. You know, I think most people would agree with that. His post career hasn't been great, you know, a Phoenix and other things when he tried different coaching and management. Same thing with Michael Jordan, you know, with basketball, so it doesn't always translate that the best players become the best coaches or managers afterwards.

Umar Hameed 8:54
So you have this colossal Facebook group, how many people in it?

Marc Mawhinney 8:58
We just passed 20,000? A couple days ago. So I think we're at 20,100, and some right now. Yeah.

Umar Hameed 9:05
So that's probably a really good pool of potential clients for you.

Marc Mawhinney 9:08
It is, yeah, that's our most my clients and customers probably come from the big three pillars I have I say for my business, the Facebook group, there's the podcasting. So there's my show, but also going out on shows like this, what we're doing now. And then the third is daily emails. I've been sending daily emails to my list since 2016. So that's where most of my clients are coming from one of those three buckets.

Umar Hameed 9:30
Brilliant. So how do you grow a Facebook group? Because you're building community and you know, in the past, Facebook groups were nice, but since COVID, they've become essential, right? People are longing for that connection. So how did you nurture that group? How do you feed it? How often do you touch it?

Marc Mawhinney 9:48
That's a tough question to answer quickly. I have a program around it. So I talked for hours about it. But I mean, a few things I would say is if you're not active in your group, then why should anyone else be so I show up every single day. I've never missed a day. I also encourage people to engage. So for example, someone asks a question, I'm like, man, Umar would be great for that. So I'll tag you in right to bring you into the conversation. A lot of group owners don't do that. Because they say, well, gee, I don't want to lose any potential clients by bringing in someone else. I view it more collaboration and competition. So I think that's where the group's done well,

Umar Hameed 10:22
Absolutely! So, let's talk about that mindset. That mindset of it's my potential client, I've got to hold on to them, I can't introduce them to anybody else. So tell me about somebody that I'm sure somebody you coached had that? How did you coax them out of that kind of limited thinking to, hey, this seven point some odd billion people on the planet, you got plenty of customers? And so tell me about one of those?

Marc Mawhinney 10:50
Well, I've used that example, before, for almost 8 billion people on the planet, you need very few of those 8 billion, say, 10, you know, or maybe even fewer, if you're charging more of out of 8 billion to build a successful coaching business or any other business and a lot of cases. So I've had, oh, well, I've had people, for example, who clients who are launching podcasts that are like, Well, I'd like to do an interview based one, but I don't want to bring competitors on there. And they people said that to me, too. When I launched entrepreneur coach, like, oh, Marc, you're giving a platform to your competition. I'm like, this isn't Coke, Pepsi type thing, you know, it improves the quality of my show or my facebook group when I bring good people on there. So I've had to run into that not with every single client, but it's certainly happened quite a bit where people are just being a little too tight with you know, they want to pee on the customer and put their spin on them, and no one else can talk to them or the prospect. And that's not a good way to look at it. It's very lacquer, limited way of thinking I prefer to think more abundantly.

Umar Hameed 11:53
And I think oftentimes, you know, if you're introducing people to great resources, if they decide to go a different direction than you, there's an element of a man, if you would have gotten them as a client, they may not have been a good client to begin with in the first place.

Marc Mawhinney 12:09
Yeah, I'm not everyone's cup of tea. So I can't work with 20,000 people, even if I want to some people, maybe they hate Canadians. They don't like my sense of humor. I have a weird dry sense of humor. Good.

Umar Hameed 12:24
What's interesting is I married a yank and moved to the states in 91. And it took me a while to stop drinking tea and Biggie, a coffee drinker. And the shocking part was one day out of my mouth. This came out. It was the letter Z. Canada, of course we say Zed.

Marc Mawhinney 12:46
Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's funny. I'm very Americanized, because most of my clients are in the States, you know? 97%. So I say things like niche as opposed to niche, you know, a lot of Canadians over a fancy saying niche or whatever, I'm niche. It's all Potato Potato. But yeah,

Umar Hameed 13:02
It is. So tell me about what is the difference between Canadians and Americans as you're coaching them? Do you find like there's a difference between your Canadian clients and American clients?

Marc Mawhinney 13:13
Yeah, that's a great question. I find, you know, our Canadians are like, because you're from here, we're a little more perhaps reserved, or hesitant to promote. So me, I think I was born in the wrong country. I love America's entrepreneurial spirit. I love that whole American dream. I love promotion. And a lot of people for Canada, I know think that oh, well, I can't talk about a client resolved or can't post a testimonial or I'm going to sound like Donald Trump on his Twitter feed. Like that, they're gonna think you're promoting too much and I have to get them to blow their own horn. Now, that's a generalization because, you know, a lot of people think oh, Canadians are so polite, and all this and Americans are rude and crass. There are plenty of rude idiotic Canadians and plenty of lovely Americans and stuff too. So I don't buy into all that. But I do think with Canadian clients, I found this in the UK to actually that when I've had UK clients, I can't promote like that, like they're holding back a bit compared. Yeah, it's and I'll be more American. There's a reason why America is a world leader and done so much with business and inventions. Everything else is because it has that drive. So I don't think it's a bad thing to say be more American.

Umar Hameed 14:20
Yeah. Oh, when I was in Canada, what I noticed was that it took longer to close deals in Canada, and sometimes the deal was never gonna close. But they were too polite to tell you.

Marc Mawhinney 14:29

Umar Hameed 14:30
In America, it was like, yes, no, or

Marc Mawhinney 14:34
Yeah. I'd rather have a quick no than a maybe like, it's frustrating. Maybe and you're chasing for six months following up. I can appreciate someone that's, hey, look, Thanks Marc for the offer. But it's not for me and this is why have a great, you know, move on. Okay. I would say,

Umar Hameed 14:49
here's a joke. Marc, do you know the difference between Canadians and Americans? Let me tell you, we're gonna ask the American, Who are you? They say, I'm an American. When you ask Canadians, who are you? They go, we're not Americans. That's our national identity were not them.

Marc Mawhinney 15:04
It is frustrating online because you hear the joke. Oh, we feel like we're the apartment above the math lab, you know, or whatever. And I'm like, I do. A lot of Americans are too rough on their country. I'm like, Man, you guys have a great country be proud of it.

Umar Hameed 15:17
Actually, what's kind of interesting is there's a disconnect between the government and his policies and the people. I was listening to this interview was a 60 minutes interview. And they had this person had gone to Iran. And when they came back, the host have asked them like, don't they hate us over there? He says, No, I went there. Everyone's like, Oh, my God is so nice to see an American again. And people are just like us all they want is a better future for the kids, three squares a day and justice.

Marc Mawhinney 15:53

Umar Hameed 15:53
Give people that and nobody goes to the streets with pitchforks.

Marc Mawhinney 15:56
Yeah, exactly. And I there was a joke I heard speaking out of Canadian asked Canadian house, what was a titanic about? And the American says, Yeah, it was about, you know, instead of what was the Titanic about the movie, Titanic? Yeah, about boat all that. So yeah.

Umar Hameed 16:16
The so you're working with coaches, and you probably say some crazy stuff mark, like, you're not charging enough. And the person goes, Oh, I could never do that. So take me through the relationship of money and human beings. How do you get people to really realize the value and then more importantly, feel comfortable talking about it?

Marc Mawhinney 16:38
There are a lot of not just coaches, I think those as humans in general, but because you

Marc Mawhinney 16:42
Calling absolutely.

Marc Mawhinney 16:43
have some weird feelings around money. And you could just tell if so, for example, back in 2015, I hosted a summit to help coaches increase fees just exactly what we're talking about. Yes, the summit command higher coaching fees summit, very original title, but I did have coaches in various communities and things where it's promoting it we're saying things like, well, that that's not right. Coaching isn't about charging and you know, making a lot of money. You know, it's about serving people and there's this discussion in my facebook group yesterday, and everyone's paying me like Oh, geez, he's like worse and Gordon Gekko Jr, Ewing and Hitler combined or something. I find there a lot of what I call Mother Teresa coaches, and they think you can't be charging or charge very little. You got to be coaching barefoot in the village somewhere far off and serving the people. And it's just a bad way to look about it. Men were saying about a lot. This interview must be because you've mentioned that,

Umar Hameed 17:40
I jinx you.

Marc Mawhinney 17:41
Yeah. So I always say the toughest person to convince for charging more is isn't anyone out there. It's a man or the woman in the mirror. If you're convinced that you're worth every penny of whatever you're charging $5,000, $10,000 whatever the rest are, I won't say a breeze. But it's certainly a lot easier if you're hesitating. And you get into that part of the conversation with the prospect. Well, how about what does it look like to work together? How much is it? And you hesitate? Just a little bit? They'll pick up on that?

Umar Hameed 17:42
Well, absolutely.

Marc Mawhinney 17:44
The energy of it. Yeah.

Umar Hameed 18:11
So just going back to your Mother Theresa comment, people have an illusion of what other people are like, she was a badass woman. So she would take money from like criminals. And then people would say, how can you take money from these thugs to feed the poor, and she said, money is money. And if this is going to do good, we're going to do good. And she was never shy about saying, Hey, give me the money. And what's kind of interesting is I do this exercise, sometimes with groups, it's like, I'm going to suggest your annual income, we're going to start low at $10,000 a year 2030 4050 100 200 300 500 1,000,005 million, 10 million or 10 million, and I asked you to pay attention, what it feels like and what thoughts come up. And when the numbers are lower. Oftentimes people get this reaction of not me. Some people get angry. When I get to kind of what they're earning right now. They say, Well, if I felt Okay, huh, what was it like when I went beyond what you are? Felt exciting? What was it like when I went way beyond that, then it's like, It was terrifying. I was thinking, I'll be working all the time, my kids gonna turn to drugs, and it's all that hang up around money dictates how we show up. And even if we go that'll be $10,000 comes from the beliefs around money, you know, deeply lodged within us.

Marc Mawhinney 19:30
Yeah, every person has that internal thermostat. Right? That not absolutely certainly isn't a unique thought other people have talked about it. I've seen coaches, for example, there's a guest on my show a few years back, who struggled with poverty as a kid growing up, she they her family was always getting the power shut off. They didn't have money for groceries that depend on the kindness of others. Now, she's a successful coach. She's making multi six figures, even though she's doing that making good money compared to the average person out there. She still has that fear of like she's paying her power bill, you know instantly when it comes in and she's always looking over her shoulder. She said it's because her thermostat was set so low for many years. And she struggled. And I think it's very, it's like an iceberg. There's underneath the water. You don't see it, clearly, but it's there.

Umar Hameed 20:19
And so it kind of brings me to thought that list Umar's worldview, people have an image, they show the outside world and the image sometimes is look at me, I'm pretty, or some art or amazing, or it could be a look at me, I'm broken, I'm worthless. But that is an illusion, then they have something that I call the delusion, who they think they are. And then there's the actual person deep inside. You kind of thoughts on that. And how do you kind of bring that to your coaching conversations with coaches? Because the most successful coaches least is my illusion are the ones that are authentically powerful in who they are.

Marc Mawhinney 20:58
Yeah, exactly. That's funny, you say authentic? Because I, I agree with that. I do find that coaches mess up the authenticity thing. Sometimes they go a little too far. And this goes into what you mentioned, people seeing themselves as a victim. So there's some coaches I've seen online that I'm all for keep it real, being open being in traffic and stuff like that. They're a little too far. So I saw one, for example, had a very public messy divorce with her husband, her ex husband. Everyday she is posting images, scanned images of the paperwork, she was talking about how he cheated on her he gave her an STD. She'd burned in his clothes, all this other stuff. Now she's getting a ton of engagement because it was like people craning their necks with a car accident or watching a dumpster fire. But was it helping your business? No, I don't think and or the other one I see is a coach a few years back, she apparently helped people reach seven figures in her business. She literally shared a screenshot one day of her bank account was like $18.42. And she's, and she tried to turn it into you know what, I've been down before and I'll make it back. I'm a badass blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, Yeah, she got a lot of You go girl got a lot of engagement. But is anyone gonna be weaponized their wallet to hire someone like they don't that's it pay more pity. But it doesn't mean that's going to grow our business. So I'm all for being authentic, but also don't use pity as a victim.

Umar Hameed 22:14
Absolutely. And I think going back to the example of the gal that was getting divorced, you know, had she come and said, Look, I'm going through this divorce. And I'm doubting myself, and I'm scared as hell. But I'm going to get over it like that kind of authentism. I made that word up, by the way, allows, it connects with the humanity in other people. But when it's like all that fear and anger and resentment, it detracts. And I think there's something to be said, for speaking the truth, where I've seen people like I was at a wedding, you know, before COVID. And the priest that came up with said, you know, somebody else was supposed to do this. They couldn't. So I'm doing this wedding. And I just want you to know that I just graduated from seminary school a month ago, and this is my first wedding. 100 people in the audience were like,

Marc Mawhinney 23:08
Clapping, Yep.

Umar Hameed 23:09
All right. And he just connected with the audience, because it was, you know, hey, this is new for me. And he did a phenomenal job. And had he not done it just kept it secret. In some way. I think you would have robbed power from himself.

Marc Mawhinney 23:23

Umar Hameed 23:23
Having that doubt when you reveal, you know, hey, by the way, Marc, I have no money right now. But I want to talk to you. And it's like, okay, the pressures off.

Marc Mawhinney 23:24

Umar Hameed 23:24
And then we have an authentic thing. But if I keep up a facade, oh, yeah. My business is going fantastic Marc clients coming out of the woodwork and then I do no one any good. And there's a really good chance that you might pick up that what he's saying and what I'm picking up. There's a disconnect there. I'm not sure what it is. You may not be able to divine it. But soon as you get that disconnect, it creates distrust.

Marc Mawhinney 23:51
Well, what the wedding, he did something smart because he brought the crowd. The attendees are on his side. They're rooting for him. Finally, right?

Umar Hameed 23:59

Marc Mawhinney 24:01
Yeah, I like it. Now that's a little different than if he said, I've been up all night, I had explosive diarrhea and my wife, me and the chief certainly divorce papers like, okay, maybe his head's not going to be in it. But I liked what he did there.

Umar Hameed 24:13
Yeah, brilliant. So Marc, my worldview is that earlier on, we have big things that we need to overcome, that are glaring us in the face, that may be scary as hell and we get a coach or we do it ourselves, and we overcome them. But as we progress in our careers, and our happiness, those blots become more subtle. So A, how do you find your blocks? And could you share a recent one where it's like, oh, I noticed that it does. And this is what I'm doing to overcome it.

Marc Mawhinney 24:42
Hmm, good question. I mean, one way for identifying blocks for me is journaling. I'm a big journaler.

Umar Hameed 24:47

Marc Mawhinney 24:48
For years, I met very few days. Sometimes when I just start writing, something comes out. I'm like, oh, wait a minute. And I look at him like yeah, that's something where it's a block. So perfect example, you know, being authentic. Because we're being authentic I found with social media a few years back, you know everyone's shit it looks like they have the perfect life right there everyday,

Umar Hameed 25:08

Marc Mawhinney 25:08
making a million bucks a day and you know, they have the perfect wife or husband it just everything's going swimmingly well, and this isn't something that I would like, when I would see posts come up where I'd be breaking stuff and or whatever. If I had a little bit of something with some people. I'm like, Oh, god, look at this breaker again, like, you know, or like, Oh, yeah, right. He's full of it. You know, I know he didn't make $122,000 this week for whatever. That was not good for me. Because anything that you resent you're gonna chase away and that's not helping me bring in more money at the time. I was single to I'm with great girl now. We've been together for a year. love each other very much.

Umar Hameed 25:17
And you're moving.

Marc Mawhinney 25:47
Yeah, I'm moving for love. Yeah, right now in the process of it. So she's good.

Umar Hameed 25:51
Moving in together or closer?

Marc Mawhinney 25:52
Together. Yeah. together. We basically been living together for the last year.

Umar Hameed 25:57
Sweat breakout on your forehead.

Marc Mawhinney 25:58
I'm gonna propose to her here on your show. I have the ring up now. Oh, yeah. So but at the time, I was single, I had tied and so I forgot what this was probably two years in the mic business, maybe three that I saw these posts, and, and my business wasn't where I wanted it to be. And I'm like, that that was me projecting and you know, feeling that? So I'm saying no, this isn't cool. So the practice I used to change it around. I do this almost every single day. If someone shares a win on social media, like a Facebook friend, something like that, or if I'm on their email list, often send a message back to them. Hey, Umar, I noticed that you just got named as one of Baltimore's top coaches in whatever magazine, that's really cool. Congrats. I just want to say, you know, and it's something like that. And then the people get back me forms of good friendships. I'm like, Okay, this person isn't an asshole, or she's not the B word. They're actually very nice, right? And I feel better about it, too. So I recommend not laying the green eyed monster out of the cave like that. But flip it around and bless people that are doing that.

Umar Hameed 26:57

Marc Mawhinney 26:57
Same goes for paying bills, by the way, and I'm not the first person to suggest us but whenever I pay bills, I don't look at it. I'm not I get paid, you know, a couple 100 bucks for the power bill now. Grumble, grumble, grumble, I'm like looking at as good thing, hey, I'm doing well enough that I could pay this quickly. And, you know, if I'm paying a bill, let's say you're providing a service to me, Umar did a great job. This is going to help him you know, with with with his life and with his bills and stuff. And I'm looking at that as a good thing. And I think that's a better way to handle it.

Umar Hameed 27:25
Absolutely. And, Marc, thank you so much for being on the program. And we're gonna put all your links on the show notes. But one, you can share one last piece of wisdom and any connection things verbally. So if someone's listening to this, they still get the information.

Marc Mawhinney 27:42
Well, I'll share some wisdom because this is what I was doing just before,

Umar Hameed 27:46
Come on Umar show, other than that what could you sharing.

Marc Mawhinney 27:50
So so I've been procrastinating putting off redoing I launched a program a few years ago for Facebook groups. And it's getting a little bit stale, right a lots changed on Facebook a few years my group's a lot bigger. However, I could not get this darn program updated. Because there's always something else on the front burner. I woke up this morning. And you know, I'm just going to get going with the revamp the new videos for it. And I just spent a couple hours before I hopped on here doing it. The wisdom from that is don't overthink things don't feel like you have to have a script, everything worked out I literally just hopped on top bang record a video it's in the can record now I'll have to do quick edits and stuff of course, to do that, but I feel much better like coming on here if I don't have to be in the back of my mind. So I share that because that was something happening today. Don't overthink things you'll feel much better taking actions that are stewing and ruminating and thinking about stuff.

Umar Hameed 28:40
and so how can people get ahold of you?

Marc Mawhinney 28:43
Well, the Facebook group which we talked about that's coaching jungle.com. A lot going in there so we'd love to see people might

Umar Hameed 28:50
I'm gonna join myself.

Marc Mawhinney 28:51
Good Yeah, come on over swing on in, The my podcast is called Natural Born Coaches have released about 700 episodes on almost any topic imaginable for coaches. That's at Naturalborncoaches.com and I have a hard copy print newsletter for coaches called Secret Coach Club and that's secretcoachclub.com

Umar Hameed 29:10
Superb. And dear listeners I believe in the power of sucking. So frickin execute, you can always make it better, but if you wait for perfection is never gonna happen. Marc, it was a joy having you on the show. Thank you so much for taking time out.

Marc Mawhinney 29:26
Thanks for the invite.

Umar Hameed 29:32
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